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Dude if you think clay can freakin' speak to a potter then you have something seriously wrong in your head. Just so you know people have said "Why have you made me this way" They didn't say "Why are you making me this way" because they were not evolved enough to have proper thought and they were not able to question their origins. How can you believe Christianity is true when there is more truth to Judaism and Islam and they are much older. They are all generally the same but Christians are self-centered and think they
deserve everything but everyone else does not.

Evolution isn't about accidents. If you don't understand something, don't bash it. Evolution is about natural selection.

Let's say we have two technologies, steam-powered engines and the other kind we currently use. (I don't actually know much about engines.)

Anyways, the steam-powered ones /were/ technically created, but for the purpose of the example I will say they evolved, because in a way, they did. The guy who invented that didn't just wake up knowing current technology. Scientific information was acquired over a long period of time, and inventions were slowly (or quickly, in bursts, like evolution) invented and improved over time.

The steam-powered engines weren't good enough for what people wanted, but the other kind were(Don't ask me why, I don't know much about engines, as I have already stated). So people stopped making steam-powered machines. They essentially, "died" and the other kind became "more prosperous". So when people wanted to invent a new kind of machine, they didn't used steam-power, they used the other kind, so the other kind of power became more complicated over time because it was superior. It didn't start out as superior necessarily, it became that way because of the environment they wanted to live in. (What they needed the power for.)

I think the bible is inaccurate. rex_brandy looks like he's been explaining that one pretty well, so I won't touch that.

The Bible is f***ed beyond all reason. Think about it, if we're all related through Adam and Eve then aren't all marriages inbreeding? So why does the church support it so much and say no to relatives getting married? If two relatives have a child that child has a 90% risk of being disabled in some way, so if everyone is related then why is there no disabilities like that? The disabilities now are because of things proven through science to be natural or through drugs or drinking but the inbreeding one is not like that. It is different from all of the other disabilities but it does not happen in normal everyday life.

-Rex_brandy


Genesis_verse_1 you seem to be getting angry was your priest a little to rough with you last Sunday??
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-Candun

I'm going to first off say that i respect all views of religion and their opinions and in turn I hope you respect my beliefs as I do of yours and everyone else's on this forum.

Now here is a theory. Evolution is believed that a puddle with chemical theory in it caused a certain reaction to create life, but this is skeptical in my head. What i am also skeptical about too is God himself. Evolution is mysterious, always will be, new updates of it will happen and for the truth of the evolution theory to come out is like a needle in a hey stack in which evolution can not be fully proven nor can it be fully false. I feel as though genetics is what can help scientists today discover how we got here. They need however something in which can date it to the first days when man was developing as well as other organisms on this planet. Creation by God for mankind and this world is to me something way off. Man has created the bible once previously said in this forum and in those times these writers had what is called an inspiration or a vision. The visions were described as a headache like state in which felt feverish and caused them to see visions. First off Plague and disease was around that time the bible was made, this vision like feeling could merely by the side affects or the causes to which makes the writers of the Bible record them down in order to remember them. Hence like recording your dreams in a journal or something. Second "God" folks was to be feared in those times and I feel as though it is still pressured by many today (however not all cause i do know some actual good Christians out there rather than those who think they know all when they are simply arrogant and unwise of what is right and what is wrong). I won't go on further with that explanation, but to continue, there was a great flood in the Red Sea, but only covered that area (you can see recordings of this in artwork too). Remember too that natural effects of nature can evolve this world and species can evolve (been proven) in order to survive (look up Darwin's Theory for this explanation). Floods, erosion, earthquakes, mudslides, etc. etc. can shape and mold this planet as if it was clay in the hands of the craftsman. Look up the big bang theory folks too that can explain alot and study Super Novas when in comes to creation of the earth. Those novas can do a great deal and if you haven't heard that not too long ago two galaxies just became one recently by a Nova. It makes you wonder folks. For us humans, were a mystery. Apes can rightfully suggest we started from them, but to this day it is still complained about. Thats all i have to say.

yup, sounds about right...... God began it all, then used evolution as a basis by which things can grow and adapt as time went on

I'm sorry, but this statement has been bothering me. It is true that radiocarbon dating is only accurate to about 50,000 years ago. That's why scientists now use a process called Potassium/Argon dating to date sites and remains older than 50,000 years. Potassium 40 has a much longer half-life than Carbon 14 has. Argon 40 is one of the byproducts of Potassium 40's decay. By calculating the ratio between Potassium 40 and Argon 40, scientists can measure much older dates much more accurately than they can with Carbon 14 dating. I cannot recall the exact number, but it is definitely in the tens of millions of years range.

well, to be honest, in my opinion, both creation and evolution are pieces of crap.
it's my belief that whether or not there is a higher power or if there is some scientific origin, humans are never gonna know what it is.
think of it this way- religion (note that i mean style of worship, not the existence of a higher power itself) and science are both man made
here's an analogy; no matter how hard you tried, you could never get a dog to comprehend the human concept of physics. their brains just aren't wired that way. and while we are more intelligent than them, are we arrogant enough to say that we are the pinnacle of knowledge?
there must be something(s) that we will never be able to understand, so why bother?
if there is a higher power (and it's just as possible that there's more than one) then there is, but what're the chances that we'll find out what exactly they are?
and if we came from some form of science, there are many principles that are very much out of our reach. for all we know, the sciences we're learning right now, while relative to the earth bound, could be complete garbage in the grand scheme of things.
we're wasting our time trying to figure out life's mysteries, but society is the way it is, so the debate will continue

You're right, there probably are things we can never understand. Does that mean we should just stop trying to understand things? 600 years ago, everyone understood the world to be flat. Should they have just gone on believing that and never discovered the truth? 300 years ago, everyone thought that sickness came from bad air or demons. Should they have stopped trying to figure out what germs are and how to stop them? Maybe we can't know how we got here, but we also can't know what we can or cannot understand until we try. Trying to learn and understand new things can never be a waste of time. I'm sorry, but that sounds like an extremely close minded philosophy for life.