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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:07 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:46 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:55 pm
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:14 am
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Card_King1 Calypsophia I always found it interesting how the christian faith could morph the concept of Hell which they got initially thru the Jewish religion. in Judaism, Hell is merely separation from god when you die. in essence, nothingness. you dont burn, there's no fire and no brimstone. the christian concept of hell came about as a means of controlling the people by scaring them into believing. I think the worst possible reason to believe in anything is because you fear it. but these faiths arent the only one that have an idea of a place called 'hell'. in I think it's Norse mythology, Hell is a goddess of the furthest reaches of the underworld, and that is also the name of the place.. but it's cold there, and souls arent tormented. it is a place of the dead. that's it. similar to Hades in Greek myth. given that I dont believe in god as most people do, I also dont believe in 'satan'. to me, god and satan are representations of opposite sides of the same coin. The Christian faith is not interested in scaring anybody in believing anything. Why? Because the Christian doesn't gain salvation from causing anybody to believe. Hell is a place of utter separation from God. Its not the burning or anything of that sort that makes hell horrible. Its the utter separation from God that makes it terrible. Hell was created for the devil and his angels. Not for people. People were created to be perfect. Hell in the bible is no different than hell in Judaism. If you have a place that is separated from the source of good then how can it not be bad? Benjamin
you've apparently not visited an fundamental baptist church. I've witnessed the way they try (and in some cases succeed) to scare people into being 'saved' with references and descriptions of hell. and some sects of christianity certainly do think they gain brownie points with god to make converts. mormons and JWs specifically. somewhere in the bible it tells people go go among the gentiles and spread the word.
simply being separated, does not equal rivers of fire and brimstone and an eternity of torture.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:16 am
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:05 am
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Calypsophia Antron3001 In certain Buddhist lineages, there are a series of Heavens and Hells. In the heavens, you are essentially a "Deva" or "God"(used loosely here). In the Hells, you are suffering different fates. One reaches the heavens by having good Karma, and reaches the hells by having bad Karma. But in each case, one is not there forever. Once the Karma is used up, one is returned to the human realm. I consider myself a Buddhist, but do not believe in these concepts. I believe that hell is a state of suffering in this realm. are you sure you're not confusing buddhism with hinduism? there are some places where buddhism is intermingled with other native beliefs. but a 'deva' is a hindu deity.
Im quite Positive, because, like i said, I am a Buddhist. In Tibetan Buddhism for instance, and many other branches of Mahayana Buddhism. The language of Dharmic religions is the same because they were all founded on the Indian sub-continent.
This explains it well enough... biggrin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:39 pm
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Antron3001 Calypsophia Antron3001 In certain Buddhist lineages, there are a series of Heavens and Hells. In the heavens, you are essentially a "Deva" or "God"(used loosely here). In the Hells, you are suffering different fates. One reaches the heavens by having good Karma, and reaches the hells by having bad Karma. But in each case, one is not there forever. Once the Karma is used up, one is returned to the human realm. I consider myself a Buddhist, but do not believe in these concepts. I believe that hell is a state of suffering in this realm. are you sure you're not confusing buddhism with hinduism? there are some places where buddhism is intermingled with other native beliefs. but a 'deva' is a hindu deity. Im quite Positive, because, like i said, I am a Buddhist. In Tibetan Buddhism for instance, and many other branches of Mahayana Buddhism. The language of Dharmic religions is the same because they were all founded on the Indian sub-continent. This explains it well enough... biggrin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)
heh, ok. but funny enough, I've found this as well..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Hinduism)
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:20 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:14 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:33 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:42 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:46 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:27 pm
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locke317 ZiCat Also for athiest who want facts and proof before they go in a religion... Religion is about Beliefs no FACTS Exactly. That is why I see no need to believe in religion. There is not much that can be gained, in my opinion, from just pure belief.
actually im a christian and now both from books and my own conclusions i believe that there actually is a lot of proof for religion (its not just belief)-but if i tried to explain it all i doubt most of you would even believe me so i just want to say i believe in the bible and a creator(God) and that there is a hell and a heaven. so for those of you who think your soul just disappears when you die i just cant agree with that, no offense but if u came from nothing and when you die will again be nothing-what's the point of living, of crying of wanting others to accept or understand you if when you die you will be gone and forget all of your life like it never happened what's the point of living or mourning or anything really? sorry starting to rant but i really just dont get how anyone could be utterly and completely gone ever...
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:20 pm
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