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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:09 pm
no issues with it from me. no, im not gay myself, but I know many great ppl who are and it dont bother me none.
and seeing as I am in complete and total love with the girl of my dreams, I can tell you that when its love, its love.
it dont matter the gender.
now, on another view over it, think of it like this. the world is far too populated right now, china and US being the worst. now suddenly gayness is having a rise. seems to me to be sort of a natural equalizer. after all, 2 dudes cant produce, 2 girls cant produce. and lord knows there are plenty of kids out there waiting to be adopted. I say go with it, and it could actually solve many issues in a way.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:31 am
For me, I believe that you should be able to spend your life with whoever you feel right with, whoever you love, gender be damned.
I don't understand the big deal people make about gay marriage, it's just marriage!
I'm Bi, and thankfully have very supporting parents, who could care less about what gender I choose to be attracted too.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:16 pm
Marriage is piece paper that says you've bound yourself to another person for the rest of your natural life.
Since most fail, I think that if one actually blooms into a loving and lasting partnership it's meant to be. And no book or preacher is going to tell me any different.
( If that's too vague for you, Seth supports this :3 )
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:07 pm
Personally I see marriage as being between a man and a women. I really dont care what other people do and if they legalize gay marriage thats fine. Just saying what I think of when I hear marriage.
Sidenote: this whole "sanctity of marriage" is totally crap when the devorse rate is so high.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:43 pm
People should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Plus, if this prop passes, many kids and teens won't have the stress of being ridiculed because of their prefrence in gender. It will probably save many kids and teens from depression also. Another good thing about it is that if it passes, homosexuals will be able to be on the same insurance plan. What happens if a one of them gets really sick and prop 8 didn't pass? What happens if the person who is sick's insurance plan doesn't cover it, but their partners does? What happens if the person is going to DIE, but they can't cover it because their a homosexual? If I could vote, I'd vote no on prop 8, so people could marry whoever they want and be happy. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:44 am
I dont' care if gays marry or not they should have the choice to because it's written in the constitution all men are created equal.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:41 pm
i don't really care about people being gay, but gay marriage is a whole other story. Personally-and no offense to the people who support gay marriage-I'm still skeptical on the whole subject.
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:40 pm
QueenNanami I heard on the radio that because Gay marriages are so looked down on is because the Churches would get sued if they didnt marry the gays or sued by the church goers for allowing it. A bunch of bull crap if you ask me... Those people are just stupid. They are bigots and dont want to admit it so they come up with this. I think if it makes them happy then they should be able to marry. It's not much different then a Man and a Woman being together. I dont see why it would be a problem to just let them be happy!
In Canada the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, along with another rarely thought of bit of legislation, was used to force the issue by a church that performed a gay marriage, the details involved tho posting of baans rather than doing the usual marriage license route. I say kudos to them! It would also forbid forcing a church to wed a couple that their teaching said should not be married.
The tradition of marriage has changed so many times over history that there really is no such thing as an across the board traditional marriage. I doubt there ever was!
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:48 pm
Personally I think that gay marriages are needed so that homosexual people have something to work towards in a relationship. Without them they are in the state of perpetual dating. This isn't a good thing in my opinion.
What bothers me is that the people that tend to not want gay marriages are also the no sex before marriage types. If there is no gay marriages than when can they have sex?
I know that some people think that it is a choice,I'm stuck going to school with some of the louder people in that group, but it is more than just that. My uncle loved a nice girl but he just couldn't get farther than a really close friendship with her. He never could feel any sexual attraction to her. To guys he can though. Instead of getting married to her and setting them up for a relationship full of affairs and lack of sexual shows of affection he broke up with her. He is now in a long term relationship with a really sweet guy. She is doing well too.
The main problem now is if he or his partner died then the house they've been living in for years along with other sentimental items might not go to the surviving partner. My uncle's partner doesn't really get along with his kids from his first marriage so they might try to cause some trouble. They've done the best they can to deal with any legal problems that might arise from this but its hard. They are both getting up there in age so this is a problem that needs dealing with. It would be nice if they could get married because then their relationship of 20 some years would have more legal protection and they would have the tax percs of being married.
Here's to hopeing they get this dealt with soon. They're nice and deserve at least the little sheet of paper saying they're married. A simple ceramony would mean a lot to them too.
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:40 am
In simple terms: If you are happy and in love who cares if you are gay or straight. Everyone should have the right to get marry.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:41 pm
Well let's see heres what I think on gay marriage.
Basically I think they should have the same rights as heterosexual couples. I think it's absolutely boguss that they are treated differently. What makes them so different from other people that are getting married that are of opposite sex?! Nothing! We're all the same on the inside people, we all live under the same sky so give it up.
I just think the whole freaking show is ridiculous and pathetic.
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:12 pm
gays have rights too. They have the exact same rights as straights. They are still human beings and still feel just like human beings.
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:03 pm
Well, as a lesbian, I have pretty strong opinions on this subject! My partner and I have been together for going on 7 years now, and were planning our wedding for May '09. Then Prop 8 passed (yes, we live in Cali). Imagine the disappointment for us and for our kids and families. I never before felt discriminated against, until now. I can't begin to tell you how hurtful it was to see "Yes on 8" signs everywhere we went.
The part that bothers me the most about the whole thing is that I've never heard one VALID reason for gay marriage to be illegal. RELIGIOUS BELIEFS HAVE NO BEARING ON OUR LAWS, so that is not what I would consider a "valid" reason. And the Yes on 8 campaign was so riddled with lies and half-truths that I imagine many people voted yes simply out of ignorance.
For example:
1. Gay marriage will be taught to kindergartners.
False. Nothing about marriage is required to be taught in CA schools, and even if it was part of family life education, parents are free to opt out at any time. I have two kids in the public school system and get those letters EVERY YEAR.
2. Churches would lose their tax exempt status and be sued for not performing gay marriages.
Bull. Even if they were sued, they'd win, because no church is being forced to do anything. Catholic churches won't marry divorced people, and you don't see them getting sued and/or losing their tax-exempt status. Although, I do believe that if they are going to enter the realm of politics the way they did in this last election, they SHOULD lose that status.
3. The Supreme Court overturned the decision because of "activist judges."
The Supreme Court was DOING THEIR JOB. One of the things they do is protect the minority from the majority. Just because a lot of people want to discriminate doesn't make it okay. This same thing happened when people tried to vote that it was illegal for black and white couples to get married. There are many times in history that the Supreme Court has overruled the majority vote when it would violate the Constitution (as this does).
4. Gay marriage devalues heterosexual marriage.
Can someone tell me how??? This makes no sense to me and no matter how often I've asked, no one can give me any specifics here.
5. The purpose of marriage is to have children.
My partner and I have THREE children, and most of the other gay people I know have children as well. In modern society, this argument is ridiculous. There is adoption, artificial insemination, etc. We homosexuals are not giving up having children! And by this logic, old people and infertile people should not be allowed to get married.
6. It's in the Bible.
Actually, there is a lot of controversy over what the Bible ACTUALLY says about homosexuality. I'm no Bible scholar, so I'll leave that to the experts, but most people that believe this are simply parroting
phrases that have been spoon fed to them, with no real understanding of what they mean and the CONTEXT (such an important part of the Bible that people seem to forget) in which they were written.
So, anyway, I have two main points here:
1. Most of these arguments are religious in nature, and therefore are meaningless in matters of law.
2. The rest of the arguments are falsehoods and/or have so many holes in them they don't hold up.
It comes down to this:
Whether or not you approve of gay marriage, or homosexuality in general, you DO NOT have the right to legislate discrimination into our constitution.
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Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:49 am
I believe that gay marriage is actually covered already in the Constitution by Freedom of Religion, seeing as how the ONLY real reason people have any problem with gay marriage stems from religions saying it is wrong.
All the theories such as "Gay couples can't raise children properly" is just grasping at straws, trying to come up with something scientific. If single parents can raise children without an opposite sex partner, then a gay couple surely can. Unless the couple is forcing their child to be gay, of course, but thats just as bad parenting as forcing them to be straight.
And as for the "preserving the sanctity of marriage" if you want to do that we need to outlaw divorce, because 50% of marriages end with it. Then maybe people would marry someone they actually really care for. Meanwhile, we could have gay couples who truly love each other marrying. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:14 pm
I believe it is perfectly natural and fine. The only reason the US does not allow it is because of the lack of the separation of Church and State. And thinking that someone is forcing another to be gay is just as bad as rejecting them for their sexuality and forcing them to be heterosexual.
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