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To above comment. True there are many differing opinions on certain issues within different Christian denominations. In general all I'm talking about is cannoned scripture by itself without any of the denominational strings. After all I myself am nondenominational in my belief. Also as a side note most denominations hold to "central beliefs" that do not change with their different sects.
This will likely be my last post as I feel that, as I am becoming twenty gonk ,I should find something better to do with my time that spend it on Gaia. So I bid u all a most likely farewell. Bye bye

I agree that we are all born pure, what possible reasoning could their be for us to be damned from the time of our conception until such a time that we "prove our worthiness to enter heaven"? It just isn't logical.
And if Christianity's God truly was a loving and forgiving God, then why would he damn any spirits to Hell? Shouldn't all people deserve to be at peace when they die?
I think death should be considered a release from the world.
A release from all the fighting, all the sin, all the betrayal.

"Only the dead have truly seen the end of war."

I guess I'll get into this.

Science. Science is a way to understand how the world works and a Christian is allowed to use it to find truth and to learn. However science is also a basis for Atheism and logical answers mean nothing to them so fight fire with fire incorporate science into this. There's a belief going around saying that we are related to monkeys and that we evolved from them. This is not set in stone it's just a theory. We have not found real hard evidence that we come from monkeys and our human genome seems to contradict with that theory. We have a Adam and Eve Genome and it may be possible that we came from one pair of humans but again it's not set in stone and it's just a theory. Sodom and Gomorrah. A city filled with sin god didn't like that and it rained brimstone and destroyed the city. Near the dead sea there seems to be evidence that confirms that event. A city that seems to be destroyed by fire leaving nothing but ashes and to make my argument stronger Brimstone is also known as sulfur and they found balls of sulfur all over this site. Archelogists have found things that strengthens the bible's creditability so in short the bible should not be passed off as some storybook.

But I'm rambling and moving away from the topic. Is Christianity logical? Yes. But you cannot view the bible as a storybook you need to view the bible as a way to live your life.

The bible was not written by man but by God,everything that was written in the book has come true,from when the bible said that from the David to Joseph was born the saviour,the people did not know that the bible was written until they found the dead sea scrools.Danial proved that everything he said was going to happen did happen.

first off the bible has so many lie that it isn't funny
two religion is a fiction of your imagination you call me mad haha
three do you know how many people have died because their religion said that if they did they would get a reward??

I believe the pig's tooth reference was another instance. Perhaps not Lucy. I have read about that one many times as well, so I know that the information is correct, I am just not sure which instance that occurred in. Hope I was slightly helpful in clearing up the conversation... sweatdrop

I am sorry you feel this way. It's unfortunate to be disappointed in a whole religion of people, especially one as large as Christianity.

Oooooh boy... This is a seriously controversial subject. Every sect of every religion has dealt with something similar to this when forming their core beliefs. Many people believe that we are born pure, but learn sin as children. Some believe that we are sinless as children, and learn sin as an adult. Still others believe that we are born steeped in sin and are damned from conception. (Please no offense at the word in my last sentence, I was using it in its proper context, not in its vulgar usage).In my mind none of these views are particularly sense-making. If we are born sinless, we should have no cause to sin, there should be no appeal in it. However, even the tiniest child is guilty of self-centeredness. Every baby will scream and howl if upset, with no thought at all for the people around. Many babies don't even grasp a separation from their mothers for a few weeks, believing that the entity that feeds them is, in fact, a part of themselves. (Please understand that I am not saying that crying dooms a baby to Hell, I am merely demonstrating my views on why this view is flawed, in my opinion). The theory that children are sinless and innocent is quite obviously wrong. We have all seen children throw tantrums in a store, or hit a fellow child, or lie. No one teaches their children to behave this way, they just do. So obviously a child isn't automatically guiltless on account of their youth. I am not saying God doesn't take into account undeveloped brain function and immaturity, I am merely stating the truth of the matter. This leaves one theory remaining. The theory of us all being born as sinners. The problem with this idea is that it is basically saying we all were capable of sin in our mothers' wombs, and that we already committed it. No fair or just god would judge us on account of what we thought before birth, the idea is ludicrous. So either God isn't just and fair, (and I am not saying he is or isn't, I am simply playing the devil's advocate), or there is a flaw with at least a part of the actual theory. This idea could work if you change around a few things. For example, saying we are all born sinners means we were all born having already sinned, aka, damned. Saying we are all born with a sin nature, or a natural bent towards evil, and a drawing to sin, implies that we all had the capacity to sin soon after birth, but not that we have all sinned at birth and are doomed to destruction forever and ever, blah blah, because of it. This changes the whole concept of the theory. As for the Hell question, I do not think that God would sit up there with a pen and his naughty list checking people off casually to go to Hell, especially in cases of ignorance. If I die and wake up to find that he isn't wise enough to be able to judge people justly and, mercifully, I will be greatly astounded... Though the after death, ever burning Hell, Purgatory, and Cloud-Harp mentality are all similarly fascinating subjects, I shan't delve into them now because, unfortunately, it appears to be 1:30 in the morning here. Wow I feel like a topic post space hog! My apologies for the long post, if any of you would like to chat about something I mentioned here, I would love to have a nice, logical discussion with you later. Simply send me a PM, and I will answer it as soon as possible. In case you are too lazy to look up a few inches to my avi, my name is Ariemea. It was nice stopping by your little discussion. Have a nice rest of the year everyone!