Church and Law

[Zeriga Pendragon]

I heard once that American Government was originally written for it not to be effected by Church. But if this is so, why is Church playing such an important role in today's government? Or, am I just wrong about what I heard?  

[Bagel Tornado]

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Because everyone has to be careful to not offend religious groups. stare

They're so sensitive to everything sometimes.

Least that's what I understand.

If you're not careful you'll have a giant group of churchies or something on your a**. @_@

Not saying they're ALL bad... But you know.

 

[Zeriga Pendragon]

Bagel Tornado

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Because everyone has to be careful to not offend religious groups. stare

They're so sensitive to everything sometimes.

Least that's what I understand.

If you're not careful you'll have a giant group of churchies or something on your a**. @_@

Not saying they're ALL bad... But you know.

What I'm expecting here is The. Facts. Not some Church Stories that may, or may not be true. Solid Facts.  

[Deppfan]

The American government is supposed to be completely separate from any religion at all. And technically, it is, because the churches are not directly involved. However, people still take their religious beliefs way too far in consideration of legal matters.

I want to say that Separation of Church and State is at least inspired by the actions of Henry VIII, and how he created the Church of England to essentially do whatever the hell he wanted. The church and the government became too intertwined there, and in many other countries, which led to the rights of the peopl being infringed upon.  

[beaulolais]

in the Constitution, the government is not to do anything which would establish a religion.

people like Jefferson have written about a "wall of separation" between state and church, but that does not appear in the Constitution.

in Europe at the time of the American revolution, each country had its own established church. In Spain and France, it was Roman Catholic; in Sweden and Denmark, Lutheran; in Hungary and some counties in Germany and Switzerland, Reformed; and in England, Anglican.

one government, one church. if you did not like the church, you still had to pay a tax ("tithe") to support it. my great grandfather in Glasgow, a devout Presbyterian, refused to do this, and got himself jailed as a "disorderly person".

so our founders wanted America to be a place where government did not favor one belief over another. they never intended that it have nothing at all to do with matters of belief; even to those deists, such a thing was unheard of.  

[idiotic randomness]

their can be no real seperation of church and state in my beleif, your religion weither good or not will help dictate what you do. they will assist your motives, so even though you try you wont always be devided from your beleife its to intertwined into your being  

[Deppfan]

dreams into nights yami

their can be no real seperation of church and state in my beleif, your religion weither good or not will help dictate what you do. they will assist your motives, so even though you try you wont always be devided from your beleife its to intertwined into your being

That's not what Separation of Church and State means, though. It refers to the churches actually having an official say in matters of government.  

[idiotic randomness]

Deppfan Teague

dreams into nights yami

their can be no real seperation of church and state in my beleif, your religion weither good or not will help dictate what you do. they will assist your motives, so even though you try you wont always be devided from your beleife its to intertwined into your being

That's not what Separation of Church and State means, though. It refers to the churches actually having an official say in matters of government.

i realize but i am stating, that no matter what, peoples beleifes influence their actions, even in the minor way. right and wrong are dictated by those with power to state what is good or not, or what is culturaly accepted in the culture  

[Truith]

Though church can not become directly involved in government matters, Christianity wiill most likely always be attached to government. After all the Declaration of Independence talks about "God given rights". We can not deny that the very opinions we hold, including human equallity and the importance of human life, is deeply rooted in the Bible. That, and those who really follow there religions usually place those beliefs on the highest level of importance.  

[Iam WhoIAm]

I believe that America was founded to be a place where which church you went to was not dictated by he King, freedom of religion. though at this time everyone went to church and it was not normal for anyone to not go to church at the time. However it is expected that what a person believes will affect how the government is going to play out though indirectly.

Many people may not like this but, religion gives a basis for the ethical decisions that are made, less so now that ever before sadly. So no matter how hard people try to get God out of government, they really don't want that completely because without God, there are no morals.  

[Rsnbl Faith]

Heres a quote 'Take God out, and the government becomes the god'-G.K. Chesterton. But thats aside the question being posted.

It isn't, actually the government itself is going against Christianity more than anything else v.v. Not that its gotten to the point of 'grr Christians' but that its gotten to 'Throw away morality as we know it and make a new one'. Now if your wondering why church is getting involved, thats a different point entirely. Thats simply because, of certain things that are happening that shouldn't be. And if you think about it, it isn't the 'church' thats getting involved rather, those going to church, the people. Which is who are reps follow (believe or not but Congress and the President are only servants of the people, we are their boss). But again I digress, church isn't getting involved rather, people who go to church are. Which it is our job as citizens to voice our opinions. So there is nothing wrong about it.