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twivamps? true vampires or no?
  no
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  maybe... i think... well...
  they sparkle! like goldz!!!!!1!!!11!!!1!
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Areashine

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:22 am
I agree that the Twilight vampires are just another retelling of the vampire myth. There are many different werewolf myths and retellings in books and movies, but you don't see a lot of people getting bent out of shape by it.  
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:07 pm
Being a nerd like I am, I actually went and looked into the origin of vampire myths (as well as werewolves, faeries, unicorns, dragons, etc...) Like were-animals and dragons, there have been many seemingly-independent ancient myths about beings which drink blood. Initially, they were not human in appearance, the closest is one story in which a (dead) mother drank the blood of children who had not been properly warded. She was only a floating head with long hair though.

An almost ubiquitous idea the ancients had was that blood=life. As in, blood does not sustain life, it IS life in physical form. For them someone who wasted away until they died (like with Tuberculosis) must indeed have seemed like something was coming and drinking their life at night.

Whoever first came up with the idea that the dead might rise again, would never have thought that they could live without blood. Thus, the most horrifying, evil, disgusting creature that could possibly be imagined was: a dead human who drank the life of others so they themselves could live.

If we go by the ancient stories, our 'traditional' vampire isn't a vampire at all. Even the Europeans, who came up with the 'walking dead' thing, knew that vampires could live only at night, the time when all sorts of evil things could also exist. They were not generally intelligent either, they were zombies, but to be able to walk around, they had to acquire 'life' somewhere, and thus, the drinking blood thing.

I can swallow the 'logical' explanations as to why vamps can not walk during the day. (sunlight) and the not showing up in the mirror thing has to do with a whole other mythology surrounding mirrors. The cross (or any other way of banishing evil spirits, such as garlic) can also be understood. When Vamps met Christianity, they became corpses reanimated by demons that used the blood to give their newly acquired body unnatural life.

There were 3 "debuts" of the vampire legend as we know it today. The first was a poem about a lesbian vampire who nearly killed her noble lover. (she still had to return to the grave every night, but she was intelligent, and charming) The second a short story about a man who lived a hundred years (very rich) who was also a vampire, but had hidden that fact. The third was 'Dracula' (all versions).

So the vamp became a sensual predator, deceiving maidens (usually) with their charms and magic. Sophisticated, rich, charismatic denizens of the dark recesses of the human mind. All the better to... stimulate you with, I'm sure.

Now we have vamps like the Cullens, and that's where I draw my line. They sparkle in sunlight, can function during the day, and are not even slightly evil. Their similarities to the original vamp stories are long gone. If anything, they are a new kind of thing, perhaps a throwback elf of some sort.  

dragonlove_48


Chaos_of_Destruction

PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:02 am
Aren't origin myths fun? They come from the world 'round, different variations on human fear and thoughts.

Socially speaking, Stephanie Myers "vampire" variation is less about the 'evil undead' and more about 'teen romance with a figure that cannot exist'. The sheer volume of women (and secretly men[or not so secret!]) that are fans speaks to the need that NA society has for a mythical romance that you can put yourself into.

The Sookie Stackhouse series of novels(aka True Blood for you HBO subscribers) and the Anita Blake series(which I liked until she started doing nothing but describing random sex acts with anyone with two legs- and sometimes four...) are two more modern variants with a 'scarier' sort of impossible romance. Anne Rice, anybody?

Basically, the whole idea is to immerse yourself into these romances/horrors because there's something not in your life. Pre-pubescent girls like it because they don't know what real relationships are like, (and they never will if they expect to be treated the way Bella does in the stories![major disapproval here]) and mature women seem to enjoy it because it's not quite porn, but enough to get you thinking about sex without out and out saying it. That and the unrealistic idea of 'romance' we seem to cling to.

Ugh.  
PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:26 pm
princess Tsukasa
i say there not vamps if u want to see real vamps watch true blood


If you want to see real vampires, read Dracula.
(Insert grumblings about the growing illiteracy of people these days)  

Mad Haru


Tasty Crayons

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:14 pm
There is really no such definition as a "real vampire" because from all sorts of different cultures, and throughout many periods of history, different "known facts" about vampires have emerged. So, really, there is no such thing as an accurate, or true vampire. All we can do is take some of those rumors and decide if they are true or not for those specific characters.

In Stephenie Meyer's world of Twilight, though, it would seem she decided that the vampire weaknesses you described do not apply to her vampires.

Besides, who takes her vampires seriously? They suck. dramallama  
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:47 am
There are a wide variety of vampire myths from around the world. I'm pretty sure the unifying factor is the drinking of blood from the living, which would unfortunately make the Twilight deuchebags proper vampires in at least that respect.  

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:59 am
By absolutely no means. They have as much in common with vampires of ancient myth as ticks or mosquitoes. They're basically just inexplicably pretty super heroes that happen to have an odd dietary quirk.  
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:05 am
i dont think vampires are real, and are made up, so you can make your vampire however you want. besides theres 100s of different vampires and vampire stories and theyre all different. some vapires turn into bats and some dont, etc. so i dont think it matters, its Stephenie's vampire. and if you read the books you'd know the vampires in twilight arnt good at all, and most of them are evil, the cullens are the closet to being good, and some of them had dark past  

Illenial


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:12 am
bePeterPan
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any ideas on what the cullens COULD be?


I have a suspicion that they are Stephenie Meyer's wet dream.
I think it makes more sense that she just created her own blood-drinking mythical creature. We're supposed to be scared of the Cullens, but they really never are much of a threat and they never give Bella a reason to stay away.



I...agree. I am amused.  
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