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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:49 am
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:11 am
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I beleive it's a combination of both. I'm certain we did not evolve from monkies, despite the common ground parts. Netjer, or God, or Whatever Name you wish to call the Divine, made us and the universe. Everything was created, and as time goes, many species evolved to better survive while others either remained the same physically and simply adapted better strategies, and then many other species died out, some to natural occurances, most to human overpopulation and progress. In a way we evolve, but not really physically. Our evolution is through our progress, going from cavemen to businessmen in suits. I don't believe in the flood theory that exists in the bible. Two of each kind of animal. This would cause alot of inbreeding and genetic defects which would drastically reduce and animal's ability to survive in the wild, or even at all. That bit has been proven by science.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:57 pm
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:47 pm
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I assume you got all of the information that you posted in the first post from the internet? That's why most of it is bogus. And I'll say why:
((First: my opinion is that both happened))
1: There are no hundreds of documents backing the Bible. Truly, there aren't. The Bible was WRITTEN by man, and therefor not the direct word of God. It has probably been altered in major ways by the old people of the Earth.
2: Those stories are based off of the individual first story. It's been proven that there was not a huge flood covering the whole world. There would be evidence of it. Science proves that (and if you have an issue with science, read this: If you want to prove something to someone, you show them an example, right? That's how scientists prove things, by scale or equal experiments) there was no huge world-wide flood. However, the area near the Red Sea did flood hugely in history.
3: Carbon Dating is working on half-lives. So anything that hasn't been destroyed by a few thousand years worth of Environmental degration, would have such small half-lives, that the process couldn't be accurate.
4: What does coal and oil have to do with the Bible, or evolution at all? And further more, do you know the exact preferences that the coal and oil was created (artificially, since man created it)? I think not.
5: It was not made by a plate shift, or a huge amount of water all of the sudden-like. It was made over a long time. A small stream in the ground ended up disintegrating through the sands, and creating the canyon. (Think of letting a hose flow water in the sand or dirt)
6: Have you any proof that they are hoaxes? And why is the relevance of its truthfulness or not relate to the arguments between religion and evolution? People are the ones that make this "evidential" web sites, and are probably not factual at all.
7: For me to discredit this paragraph, I shall show the comparisons between Evolution and Religion.
We evolved from small molecular organisms. God created man from the dust.
The big bang created the Universe. Does the Bible say how he created things? Couldn't it have been a Big Bang that God created and in turn, the universe? And hint: everything is made of molecules, so you can't use it as a complex base, because it's widespread and therefor normal.
Stars and such are made of heat, you can admit to that yes? So how would all of the stars and everything come into existence if it were not in a wondrous explosion? ---
As to this "six day" concept, I shall reiterate words spoken at the Scopes Trial, or near it. Who are we to determine how many hours were in a day for God?
That said, how would men know how God created Everything since he wasn't created until the Fifth day? Must it have been a twenty four hour day? Go ahead, when you die, I'll let you confront God about his concepts of Days, and argue with him. Let's see who wins that one, shall we? X] ---
I don't see why people insist on separating the two, Religion and Science. People just like the mystery in Religion, and don't want to add proof through science. And Science-ers don't want to take that leap into trusting in something that isn't proven before they can test and the prove it themselves. It isn't real until it's proven.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:49 pm
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 2:54 am
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:35 pm
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FREAKAman01 one thing I always wonder about though is the dinosaurs. The Bible says in six days everything was created, all animals and all things were to produce after it's kind, so I think the dinosaurs were included in that but.... how they died off I'm not sure. something like the Flood would probably cause huge differences in the atmosphere and stuff like that so my theories are either the earth was changed so drasticly that it couldn't support the life of such a large reptile, or that humans killed them off by hunting. which I suppose might account for the legends of dragons and dragon slayers and things like that. one other thing is that people have found huge dragonflies and huge versions of our animals as fossils. so another theory is that since alot of current day reptiles don't stop growing until they die, dinosaurs were just big lizards.
Some scientists think that the world went through a huge climate change that triggered an ice age. Most of the world's temperature plummeted to extremely cold degrees. Of course, some of the dinosaurs survived. Birds are the decendants of dinosaurs, and all the lizards are decendants as well.
I think Ink_Weaver's got a point about the flood. If the flood was really world wide, then there would be no way that we would still be here. The killing off of numerous species of animals, plants, and humans would be too much of an impact on the world, that it would just be nearly impossible for the remaining life to survive. The Red Sea's flooding seems like a more valid option.
Also, the reason why bugs and things were so huge is because there was such a huge supply of oxygen on the earth. Once time went on, the oxygen level steadily dropped and the creatures got smaller.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:52 pm
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:27 pm
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:20 pm
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:32 pm
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:05 pm
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:22 pm
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Genesis_verse_1 It is true man cannot alter what has happened on the past but man can alter what we know of the past. I know that the Bible was inspired by God because if it wasn't all that was said will be a lie and God cannot deny himself. Obedience does not close off the mind to questioning but opens it. Once I started to follow God I wanted to know more and more and I asked Him questions and He answered! If it is not God that saves them then how are prayers answered? When people are cornered in life they ask for a sign from God and He gives them a sign to let them know that they are there. I ask for signs all the time and I receive. Jesus said "Ask and you will receive." He doesn't forsake anyone except those that rebel. He is Love and Love love us.
Do you honestly think that people would alter what we think of the past in regards to evolution? What, did they fake all of the dinosaurs and the billions of dollars spent on research? Are the scientists, paleontologists, and researches wasting their carreers and lives by studying evolution? I think not good sir.
If the Bible was corrupted, then it would not be God denying himself, because he did not write it. It would be the people who wrote in changes denying others true faith based on assumed truths.
Also, there can be no true obedience (which you say leads to wisdom and questions) because people are not perfect, men and women. And the definition of obedience is following without question, so how could obedience lead to questions? It cannot. As for these questions you asked him, it is impossible. You cannot speak directly to God, you can only have answered the questions that other people know the answers to based on the writings of men in the Bible. So many of the "words of God" are actually just interpretations of the Bible from people. One such being homosexuality. Nowhere in the Bible whatsoever does it mention limitations on love between man and women.
In response to prayers and signs and Love: Prayers can be explained by simple chance, subconscious efforts to fulfill them aswell as conscious ones, and other people helping out as well. These "signs" that you speak of are nonexistant. God says that he does not perform outright miracles, and therefor these signs are nonexistant and impossible. These are only interpretations.
'He does not forsake anyone except those that rebel'
What? Is he running a government, and all of the little townspeople are not permitted to rebel? And when you say God is Love and Love love us (which, by the way is improperly worded pertaining to pluralization of the subject and verb) and when you say Jesus said "Ask and you shall recieve", you are merely stating quotes. Ask and you shall recieve is a message, not a literal proverb. It means that you need to ask for things, rather than demand things, for you will not recieve anything if you are cruel in demands. When you say God is Love, I hope dearly that you do not mean God IS Love, because if it is, then you are condemning all non-Christians to a life without love.
Do Buddhist women not love their children? Do Buddhist children not love their parents?
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:02 pm
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