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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:41 am

An HM Slave is a pokemon that you have in your party primarily to know HMs so that you can keep other, more powerful pokemon with you.

However, since the 3rd and 4th gen both have 8 HMs, an interesting question arises: which two pokemon can I pair together so that the two of them know all 8 HMs? Well, I've recently upgraded my pokemon program enough that it's able to figure this stuff ought!

For starters, let's begin with the 4th gen since that's what is currently out. Naturally, all of these lists leave out Smeargle because he can't be just taught them, he has to Sketch them all, and he trivially solves the problem anyways.

If you take any pokemon on the left and pair him up with a pokemon on the right, the two of them should be able to learn all 8 HMs! smile (I've intentionally left Dragonite out because he stretches the table)

Unfortunately, from this list you might notice that there are no two 4th gen pokemon that can be used ; you have to use a pokemon from a previous generation in order complete the list.

However, if you play through the game as much as I do, there's an interesting subset of that list to note:

These pokemon groups can learn all 8 HMs, but most importantly none of them have to evolve in order to do so! This means you can go to your box and hatch a Kabuto egg and either a Tropius or an Aerodactyl egg and you'll have the two HM slaves you need! Nifty, eh?

Now, on to the third gen, the HMs there are so much more common that I was able to restrict the lists to Hoenn Dex pokemon only. This is great because it means these combos will work even in Pokemon Emerald:

/Users/ekraft/pokemon > pokesearch -i standard hm -c "hm:dex3 && size(moveset*hms_3rd)>=4 && name!=smeargle && ~legendary" -c "test:{x:pokemon}{value(x,&hm) && size((value(x,&moveset)+moveset)*hms_3rd)==8}" "size(test)>0" -d test
id | name | test
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227 | Skarmory | wailord+wailmer
320 | Wailmer | tropius+skarmory
321 | Wailord | skarmory+tropius
357 | Tropius | relicanth+wailord+wailmer
369 | Relicanth | tropius

Of those, Wailord is obviously the only one that would need to be evolved.

One thing really nice to note about this is that Relicanth and Wailord show up on there. You may or may not know, but the two of them are vital to the acquisition of the Regis. Nice to know that they could have a place on your team. smile

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:22 pm

wow. thats alot!!!!!!!!!!1 whee

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:15 pm

Unfortunately, it seems to be off. I'm not sure why it thinks Kabuto can learn certain HMs ; after testing I see that it cannot, making my second list wrong. Dang.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:09 pm

i fee, honestly that this helps out, but i'm disgusted by the use of the word 'slave'

you see a slave is a human servant
and a droid is a digital/binray servant

so i myself always say HM Droid

but likewise it's still very useful

as for kabuto - i'd never teach him any HMs, Kabutops as a power-house rocks, no, literally (rock/water combo)

side's that why teach a yoroi helmet any HMs moves?
((Kabuto in japanese means helmet))

anyways, it's still really good

the green text, however, is hard for some to read

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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:33 pm

The green text is completely outside of my control, of course.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:55 am

Nadian

The green text is completely outside of my control, of course.

and i stated no fault in it

it's just most of those pokes i can read the names of i wouldnt teach an HM move to, due to those ones being fully evoed third-forms with high-up evo levels

but even with my limitng the numbers it's still super-useful

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