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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:35 am


i know this might be a kinda dumb question...but..can robots really "think" i mean sure we can program them to do certain things...but does that mean they can actually "think"? i was just thinking this after i watched that episode of jimny neutron where he builds a materitron to do all the chores around the house...and then she freaks out and "thinks" shes his mom and i was just thinking of that...any thoughts?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:00 am


at the moment the only roots actually created cannot think for themselves though in the future it is possible that scientests will creat artificial intelligence so that they can

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:58 pm


i see like far far into the future? or maybe in a few years?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:04 pm


nice definitive answer there, god of rock[/sarcasm] x3 just kidding.

even an artificial intelligence is merely an extremely complex program. a robot is commanded by a program, which is a series of codes that determine actions. a basic program would be that for the cursor on your screen. it moves a certain distance at a certain speed according to the information it receives from the mouse, and when you click it tells whatever program is underneath it, i.e. a button, a file, or whatever, and executes that program.
it looks something like this:
on click(execute:file.execute)//

nice and simple, right?
however, a more intelligent program, like your internet browser, takes what you type into the keyboard and shows it to you, and then when you hit enter to go to a website like Gaia, it activates a search program that goes through the whole of the internet looking for the server with the title http://www.gaiaonline.com/ and shows you the bonjour page, i.e. the login/registration page. a cookie is cool because it bypasses the bonjour code and skips right to the protected access stuff, or the home page for Gaia. I'd get more into detail about the process, but that would just bore you.

Now, an artificial intelligence is simply a huge, huge huge huge huge HUGE program with several thousand lines of code for individual probabilities. think about it this way: how many decisions do you make in a day, an hour? what to eat, what to wear, where to look, what to listen to, what this means, what that means, etc. As humans, we can comprehend these things and act accordingly, affected by our personalities, personal tastes, whatever. Computers, on the other hand, having none of the chemicals that generate emotional responses that humans have, do not interpret things the same way. Like the ultimate apathetic personality, with no emotion and only cold, hard logic. Anything that it couldn't comprehend, like emotion or an unprecedented argument, it would either ignore or fall into a loop variable and give you the classic 'Error 10110. Does not compute.' line.

Actually, if you consider it carefully, the Terminator movie prediction of the future could be a quite possible outcome if we created an artificial intelligence and told it to preserve the Earth. minus the time travel. that part actually IS impossible. ^^


any questions? I'm sure I left something out...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:54 pm


oh i get it^^ thanks^^ and does it mean the same thing if you were to say that that person was acting like a robot or felt like a robot? cause even though humans have feelings sometimes others dont "have" that feeling like of love or happiness and is instead cold and unfeeling...and surprised woah if that was possible then the need of humans to preserve the earth but it wouldnt be an excuse to be lazy and whatnot
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:16 pm


^^ no problem.

And you'd have to ask them. I have no clue. I only make points, characters, and notes. ^^;;;;;

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:42 pm


oh hehe its alright^^ thanks for all your help both of you^^
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:28 am


I don't think that a machine will ever have the never ending psychic monologue. Also I don't think there will ever be something like an Android having issues because of being a robot but feeling like man.

Seriously, a machine will never have more intelligence than needed, a washing machine for example will never read books or quote Shakespeare and people will not even talk to it.

Also; who is taking responsibility when the machine freaks out?

Sure there are already computer games, with "intelligent" enemies, but they only work off some variables too.

The human brain is currently one of the major riddles to scientists. We understand what we think, but not what makes us think.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:10 pm


i see even if we put a chip in them that kinda symbolized atifical feelings? i guess it wouldnt be the same but it would probably have "feelings" just not of its own account and i see maybe machines will never know the meaning of having "feelings" >.<
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:08 pm


yeah.. we humans are robots.. we are conditioned to do whatever authority, society tells to do and we will pretty soon not think at all

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:12 pm


yah thats a way to look at the future eh?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:43 am


If you can define "intelligence" as an object, and "emotions" on a rational unbiased base, you may have the possibility to construct it artificially.

But scientists are still arguing about emotions and intelligence.

Emotion is also involved with intelligence, which defines the personality.

Just stuff 200 random people into a cinema and let them see a horror movie, some will be scared, some others will laugh while blood flows.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:21 pm


In other words, non-sentient (in the biological sense) beings cannot perceive the extent of the one thing nobody can replicate: a persona. ^^ yay for being ridiculously complex humans? or did it turn into a serious degredation of the government's ever-encroaching control over our daily lives?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:13 am


i see im guessing that that is true cause they control most everything in our lives and such it would be true but does that mean we aren't as much as a "free world" as we claim? since the goverment is controling us then we can say that we are not as "free" as we claim...that goes well with the robot scmatics of saying that we have no free-will even though we may have rights and we are still under there control doing and saying what they want us to say and do instead of us thinking of our own account...(sorry for the babling just my thoughts on with what you said x3 nicely put btw)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:57 pm


Intelife
... yay for being ridiculously complex humans?


Yes, maybe notmy words you formed together, that that fits most. If I had to search for a computer on an evolutionary chart, I'd most likely point at the very bottom where you can find monocelular organisms.

Of course a chess playing computer will play better chess than I do:
1. It's designed for this purpose.
2. I suck at chess

Machines have somewhat like purposal intelligence, meaning they are "superior" to humans in some special area, while man has a widespread intelligence.

We are able to interprete, we can look at things and make our own thoughts on them, while a machine "thinks" what the maker thought...
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