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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:25 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:43 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:13 pm
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Well, there's a difference between validating and proving.
To validate a person's belief, all that is needed is a tiny bit of "proof," enough for the person to say, "Yes. See, I am right."
Now, proving this existance, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is completely different. It would need to occur in a scientific manner, thus it would need to be repeatable. Most occurances involving religion...miracles, the wrath of God, etc... are not.
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Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:53 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:43 am
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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:11 am
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:28 pm
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I agree with klonoa on the fact that people should take both into consideration when pondering topis such as this. People should think on the scientific and religious scale at all times, I believe, but I have a few more things to point out.
First, I want a few words cleared up, so we're all on the same page. These are the definitions I'm going by here. All are found on dictionary.refrance.com 3nodding
FACT: /fækt/ Show Spelled[fakt] Show IPA –noun 2.something known to exist or to have happened. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
TRUTH /truθ/ Show Spelled[trooth] Show IPA –noun,pluraltruths /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled[troothz, trooths] Show IPA. 6.an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude. 8.ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience. 9.agreement with a standard or original.
Okay, now that we have those out of our way, I would like to bring something else to light that few people will put together:
A fact is the truth, and by the reversal property, the truth is fact, and the truth is an idea or thing that is generally accepted as right or not incorrect.
I say that by combining these definitions, and then looking at the world as a whole, we can easily prove the existance of some form of higher being. You can look the numbers up on your own time, seeing as it's far too late for me to stay on much longer, but the number of people who believe in a higher power of some sort greatly outnumbers those who don't believe in anything else. Thus it is a generally accepted idea. Thus it is a truth, and the truth is...? Fact.
In my eyes, this is what makes the most sence.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:07 pm
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DvnT I agree with klonoa on the fact that people should take both into consideration when pondering topis such as this. People should think on the scientific and religious scale at all times, I believe, but I have a few more things to point out.
First, I want a few words cleared up, so we're all on the same page. These are the definitions I'm going by here. All are found on dictionary.refrance.com 3nodding
FACT: /fækt/ Show Spelled[fakt] Show IPA –noun 2.something known to exist or to have happened. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
TRUTH /truθ/ Show Spelled[trooth] Show IPA –noun,pluraltruths /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled[troothz, trooths] Show IPA. 6.an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude. 8.ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience. 9.agreement with a standard or original.
Okay, now that we have those out of our way, I would like to bring something else to light that few people will put together:
A fact is the truth, and by the reversal property, the truth is fact, and the truth is an idea or thing that is generally accepted as right or not incorrect.
I say that by combining these definitions, and then looking at the world as a whole, we can easily prove the existance of some form of higher being. You can look the numbers up on your own time, seeing as it's far too late for me to stay on much longer, but the number of people who believe in a higher power of some sort greatly outnumbers those who don't believe in anything else. Thus it is a generally accepted idea. Thus it is a truth, and the truth is...? Fact.
In my eyes, this is what makes the most sence.
People also believed that the world was flat, and to them it was truth and fact. It is now the truth and fact that the world is a sphere. So, just because everyone believes something, doesn't really make it true.
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:09 pm
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Deppfan Teague DvnT I agree with klonoa on the fact that people should take both into consideration when pondering topis such as this. People should think on the scientific and religious scale at all times, I believe, but I have a few more things to point out.
First, I want a few words cleared up, so we're all on the same page. These are the definitions I'm going by here. All are found on dictionary.refrance.com 3nodding
FACT: /fækt/ Show Spelled[fakt] Show IPA –noun 2.something known to exist or to have happened. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
TRUTH /truθ/ Show Spelled[trooth] Show IPA –noun,pluraltruths /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled[troothz, trooths] Show IPA. 6.an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude. 8.ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience. 9.agreement with a standard or original.
Okay, now that we have those out of our way, I would like to bring something else to light that few people will put together:
A fact is the truth, and by the reversal property, the truth is fact, and the truth is an idea or thing that is generally accepted as right or not incorrect.
I say that by combining these definitions, and then looking at the world as a whole, we can easily prove the existance of some form of higher being. You can look the numbers up on your own time, seeing as it's far too late for me to stay on much longer, but the number of people who believe in a higher power of some sort greatly outnumbers those who don't believe in anything else. Thus it is a generally accepted idea. Thus it is a truth, and the truth is...? Fact.
In my eyes, this is what makes the most sence. People also believed that the world was flat, and to them it was truth and fact. It is now the truth and fact that the world is a sphere. So, just because everyone believes something, doesn't really make it true.
According to the definition of truth, it does. Everything is based on perspective, if you look at it. We only say that something is true, becuase of what we know at that time. If you look at numbers six and nine under truth, it says "or accepted fact;" accepted being the operative word, and then again in nine when it says "agreement with a standard." The standard is the general rule; which, as a general rule, people believe there is a higher power.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:49 pm
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DvnT Deppfan Teague DvnT I agree with klonoa on the fact that people should take both into consideration when pondering topis such as this. People should think on the scientific and religious scale at all times, I believe, but I have a few more things to point out.
First, I want a few words cleared up, so we're all on the same page. These are the definitions I'm going by here. All are found on dictionary.refrance.com 3nodding
FACT: /fækt/ Show Spelled[fakt] Show IPA –noun 2.something known to exist or to have happened. 3.a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. 4.something said to be true or supposed to have happened.
TRUTH /truθ/ Show Spelled[trooth] Show IPA –noun,pluraltruths /truðz, truθs/ Show Spelled[troothz, trooths] Show IPA. 6.an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude. 8.ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience. 9.agreement with a standard or original.
Okay, now that we have those out of our way, I would like to bring something else to light that few people will put together:
A fact is the truth, and by the reversal property, the truth is fact, and the truth is an idea or thing that is generally accepted as right or not incorrect.
I say that by combining these definitions, and then looking at the world as a whole, we can easily prove the existance of some form of higher being. You can look the numbers up on your own time, seeing as it's far too late for me to stay on much longer, but the number of people who believe in a higher power of some sort greatly outnumbers those who don't believe in anything else. Thus it is a generally accepted idea. Thus it is a truth, and the truth is...? Fact.
In my eyes, this is what makes the most sence. People also believed that the world was flat, and to them it was truth and fact. It is now the truth and fact that the world is a sphere. So, just because everyone believes something, doesn't really make it true. According to the definition of truth, it does. Everything is based on perspective, if you look at it. We only say that something is true, becuase of what we know at that time. If you look at numbers six and nine under truth, it says "or accepted fact;" accepted being the operative word, and then again in nine when it says "agreement with a standard." The standard is the general rule; which, as a general rule, people believe there is a higher power.
Something Can't merely be true because of a fact. Truth is far more complicated.
K= JTB
Stands for to know something we have to have Justified True Belief. It means we have to first believe something, then it has to be True for All (has a lot of complicated definitions) and then we have to be able to Justify it. (typically Scientific Theory)
So it's not enough to believe something is true to call it knowledge.
with what we have now we can only believe in the existence of god. We can't call it Truth because not all believe it and it is not known pass belief. and we surely can't Justify it. Too conclude it seems believing in a God(s) purely relies on faith.
If we want to say it's Validated that people can believe in a God then we can we just can't call it a fact.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:01 am
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